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Can anyone identify the classes of these Warhammer 40k ships?

So found enough references to be quite sure.

The ship in the background (the biggest one) should be an emperor class ship. enter image description here

See the ship on the top left in the picture the bow is similar enough that I'm sure there. Even though the emperor class battleship is often depicted slightly differently (bow wise) it has a sensor variant to it (in the gothic tabletop game) which has exactly the same bow variant as in that one picture I posted, which looks like the bow variant in your picture.

The 2nd biggest ship (the one in the middle) should be a space marine strike cruiser enter image description here

The space marine ships are the only ones with that type of bow usually (at least in an imperial or chaos fleet). I thought about a battle barge there first but the side of the bow is just too different, a strike cruiser looks more similar there.

The last one (smallest ship) is a bit hard though. Because of the small size and the weapon under its bow I would normally say a firestorm class BUT the bridge looks a bit different to how it is normally drawn, so not a 100% on that one. enter image description here

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[Warhammer 40k] Size and Scale in 40k or “How big is that thing again?”

Generally, the Imperium is... take the moment where you clearly need to stop. And then multiply by about a hundred.

Shade the Lost said:

... huh. the Viper is much, much larger (triple the length, ~3 times the beam width too) than a modern aircraft carrier, while being effectively unarmed, despite having roughly the same crew complement. I mean, I guess you can handwave that with saying the Warp drive(s) and other infrastructure burn up so much internal space there's no room for weapons, but it's still a bit of a hard sell.

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It's also much larger than the generally accepted dimensions for the (warp capable) escort ships. And it's basically a Cobra Widowmaker, but totally unarmed and So... inconsistent, yay.
But generally, remember that Imperial technology is very, very inefficient. Their weapons are also very big. The crew is a bit odd, but most of a carrier's crew is dedicated to maintaining the planes, and a carrier is also 'technically unarmed'. That could be part of it.

Mejiro_Night said:

You can't get warp speeds without a lot of power, and where else is that going to come from outside of giant hamster wheels full of people? You could try strange boxes that burn things to produce energy, but do you want demons or to be burnt as a heretek? Because that's how you get demons or burnt as a heretek!

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Hey, they're not that bad. Just the guns are manually loaded. It would be comically impossible to make a muscle-powered warp drive.


Scutarii said:

In Battlefleet Gothic (the game of city sized spaceships firing skyscraper sized torpedoes at each other over interplanetary sized distances) the Space Marine fleet used Thunderhawk Gunships as their 'attack craft' (think the planes a modern aircraft carrier launches) so they're definitely space worthy. They have a Crew of 4 (gunner, navigator, pilot, co-pilot) and a carrying capacity of 30 fully equipped combat ready space marines.

That might be a more suitable size for your players?

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Problem is if the PC's aren't space marines, they're not getting one.

Senex said:

On another note, given that every race's ships are huge, I do wonder if it's similar to Babylon 5 in that there is a lower limit on size for a ship to be warp-capable.

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Mantas aren't technically warp capable, but they're a 50-meter starship. There are smaller couriers at that. So no, it's just that Imperial Warp Drives are big. (Mostly).

 

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[Post New] 2012/04/08 13:45:21

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What is the size of Emperor class Battleship?
In addition to that what is the size of Tyranid Hive Fleet main hive ship?


   
[Post New] 2012/04/08 13:59:19

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The BFGmailing list consensus was approximately 6km length for Imperial battleships. Andy Chambers (designer of BFG) used to be on this mailing list.

The size is also consistent with that of a Retribution class battleship, as given in the BLbook Dark Disciple.


Admiral Rutger Augustine look out over the vast length of his flagship vessel, the mighty Retribution-class battleship, Hammer of Righteousness...Six kilometres from stern to prow...

p. 31, Dark Disciple



Crew complement given by:

http://www.wolfedengames.com/battlefleetgothic/crew.htm

From Andy Chambers' post to the mailing list, this scale of 1500-2000 crew per damage point yields a crew size of 18,000-24,000.
   
[Post New] 2012/04/08 14:15:16

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6km only? 0_0
By the way everything is big in 40k I imagined that they are at least 20km long.


   
[Post New] 2012/04/08 14:22:17

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Brother Coa wrote:6km only? 0_0
By the way everything is big in 40k I imagined that they are at least 20km long.



What do you mean by "only"?

A 6km long mobile warship is anything but small. A warship is different from a mass conveyer. Transports can be basically empty boxes with engines attached. Warships have to be armored, with redundant systems.

There is a fine line between big and getting ludicrous, like people claiming Warlords are the size of mountains based on some inaccurate artwork.

Also larger sizes start becoming inconsistent in interactions with that of the other races. Eldar ships, damage point for damage point, can fight as well as Imperial boarding parties, yet we never hear of Eldar ships being a huge flying ghetto crawling with Eldar in every space. Yet we know also from 40Kthat Eldar are not THAT much better than humans so it creates disbelief that an Eldar corsair could fight off many times his own numbers (especially now that we have Eldar corsair stats from Forgeworld's IA11).
   
[Post New] 2012/04/08 15:40:46

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Keep in mind a Star Destroyer from Star Wars is 1/6 that length. It's pretty damn big.


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[Post New] 2012/04/08 22:16:24

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Iracundus wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:6km only? 0_0
By the way everything is big in 40k I imagined that they are at least 20km long.



What do you mean by "only"?

A 6km long mobile warship is anything but small. A warship is different from a mass conveyer. Transports can be basically empty boxes with engines attached. Warships have to be armored, with redundant systems.

There is a fine line between big and getting ludicrous, like people claiming Warlords are the size of mountains based on some inaccurate artwork.

Also larger sizes start becoming inconsistent in interactions with that of the other races. Eldar ships, damage point for damage point, can fight as well as Imperial boarding parties, yet we never hear of Eldar ships being a huge flying ghetto crawling with Eldar in every space. Yet we know also from 40Kthat Eldar are not THAT much better than humans so it creates disbelief that an Eldar corsair could fight off many times his own numbers (especially now that we have Eldar corsair stats from Forgeworld's IA11).


The Eldar do have superior reflexes compared to humans and I imagine that Shurikan fire in close confines would not be a pleasent experience.

And the boarding parties probably consist of strike teams of Striking Scorpians and Fire Dragons. At close quarters those guys will probably be ablee to make up for their lack of numbers compared to a human crew.

Considering that only Space Marines and Dark Eldar get any bonuses when boarding I think the difference between Eldar and Humans is definitly too minute to show up in the game.

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[Post New] 2012/04/08 22:22:02

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Grey Templar wrote:
Iracundus wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:6km only? 0_0
By the way everything is big in 40k I imagined that they are at least 20km long.



What do you mean by "only"?

A 6km long mobile warship is anything but small. A warship is different from a mass conveyer. Transports can be basically empty boxes with engines attached. Warships have to be armored, with redundant systems.

There is a fine line between big and getting ludicrous, like people claiming Warlords are the size of mountains based on some inaccurate artwork.

Also larger sizes start becoming inconsistent in interactions with that of the other races. Eldar ships, damage point for damage point, can fight as well as Imperial boarding parties, yet we never hear of Eldar ships being a huge flying ghetto crawling with Eldar in every space. Yet we know also from 40Kthat Eldar are not THAT much better than humans so it creates disbelief that an Eldar corsair could fight off many times his own numbers (especially now that we have Eldar corsair stats from Forgeworld's IA11).


The Eldar do have superior reflexes compared to humans and I imagine that Shurikan fire in close confines would not be a pleasent experience.

And the boarding parties probably consist of strike teams of Striking Scorpians and Fire Dragons. At close quarters those guys will probably be ablee to make up for their lack of numbers compared to a human crew.

Considering that only Space Marines and Dark Eldar get any bonuses when boarding I think the difference between Eldar and Humans is definitly too minute to show up in the game.


Actually you are incorrect on the bonuses. Eldar Aspect Warriors get bonuses.

I was talking about Eldar Corsairs, which fight equally damage point for damage point. As seen from FWIA11, they are basically Eldar Guardians, armed with lasblasters and with some shuriken weaponry mixed in. They may be better than your average Guardsman in terms of equipment and reflexes, but they are not THAT superior that Corsairs defeating that many times their own number is believable.
   
[Post New] 2012/04/08 22:56:15

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Are these accounts against Merchent vessels or proper Imperial Navy ships?


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[Post New] 2012/04/09 00:21:49

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All in your source. Ship size like everything in 40k has never been consistent that I can find. I use the FFG sizes myself as I am an RPG player first. If that is the case I think somewhere between 8-9km have been mentioned.


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[Post New] 2012/04/09 00:26:32

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Know No Fear described several warships, which were depicted as some of the mightiest in the entire system, as being over 20km long, so for the largest class of warship in the current era to be only 6km does seem a bit...odd.


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[Post New] 2012/04/09 00:33:36

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Valkyrie wrote:Know No Fear described several warships, which were depicted as some of the mightiest in the entire system, as being over 20km long, so for the largest class of warship in the current era to be only 6km does seem a bit...odd.



I do not know the book, but GWbeing inconsistent. Imagine that . Both RTand DHRPG's do have ships approaching that size, the Universe mass convoy is like 12 km long and a cargo ship. There is another in the radical handbook I believe that is 16km long. So older ships being larger then the emperor is not imposable.

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[Post New] 2012/04/09 04:11:23

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I can't remember where i got this. probly found it on Google images.
Hope it helps.


according to this. a Imperial Navy Frigate (40k) is 1300 meters (give or take) with a Imperial Star Destroyer (Star Wars) is 1600m. only 300 meter differnt for vastly different ship class (Frigate vs Capital ship)

the largest ship is the Super Star Destroyer, but i know for a fact that the Battleships of 40k are by far more numerous.

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[Post New] 2012/04/09 05:55:22

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The BFGcolor images in that size chart were made by a member of the BFGlist per the BFGlist consensus:. Some of those numbers also seem slightly off, such as the Dictator class which should be 3km, and the picture for the "Inquisition blackship" is actually that of a Repulsive class grand cruiser which is larger than a cruiser.

The original scale is on his DeviantArt page:

http://the-first-magelord.deviantart.com/gallery/8686311#/d1cy8r5

This scale is actually remarkably consistent in GWand BLpublications by multiple authors over multiple years. In Shadow Point, an average Dictator class cruiser is given a crew size, though it is unclear if attack craft crew are included:


Now, six years later, he was one of the most senior non-commissioned officers amongst a crew of almost thirteen thousand...
p. 62, Shadow Point , by Gordon Rennie



The size of a Retribution as already mentioned is in Dark Disciple:


Admiral Rutger Augustine look out over the vast length of his flagship vessel, the mighty Retribution-class battleship, Hammer of Righteousness...Six kilometres from stern to prow...
p. 31, Dark Disciple



The relatively recent Soul Hunter describes a crew for a grand cruiser, which is larger than a cruiser, more in keeping with Andy Chambers' scale:


Over 25,000 crew called the warship home, even though a sizable chunk of those were slave labourers and servitor wretches...
p. 95-96, Soul Hunter



As shown by these quotes, the scale has been remarkably consistent over many years of BLpublications. It wasn't until FFGcame along that then people started trying to inflate the size for no apparent reason. It smacks of "It's 40Kso things have to be stupidly big...just because". No different really from those that insist Warlord Titans are as tall as mountain ranges based on exaggerated artwork.

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