Vepr 12 vs saiga 12

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Molot Firearms, which produces the VEPR 12, is officially titled “Vyatskie Polyany Machine-Building Plant Molot”. It is a Russian company which was established in 1940, and is a subsidiary of Rostec, which deals in defense and high-tech within the Russian Federation. The VEPR 12 has been in production since 2003.

Molot is known for its shotguns and rifles, but it is also famous for manufacturing and supplying the Red Army with the PPSH-41 submachine gun, during WWII. There were approximately 6,000,000 of those units built. Though Molot was not the only one manufacturing them at the time, I think it produced the bulk of them.

Fun fact: in the 1950s, Molot manufactured a Vespa-esque scooter, and it continued to remain in production until the 1970s. Imagine wielding a heavy-duty shotgun while riding on a Vespa. Very Eastern Europe, don’t you think?

Nowadays, the company is dealing with some messy bankruptcy proceedings. For the time being, production of firearms seems to be stalled.

There is no telling where exactly this will go, but even if Molot was back on its feet today, you would not be able to purchase a brand new VEPR 12 if you are in the U.S.

In 2017, Molot was added to the list of banned Russian and Ukranian imports, due to ongoing sanctions imposed by the U.S. Treasury Department. Until the ban went into effect, Molot weapons were being imported by the US-based Firearms Importer Manufacturer Exporter (FIME group), operating out of Las Vegas.

VEPR 12 Specs

The VEPR 12 is essentially modeled after the RPK. As such, it is a shotgun which may be useful in hunting, 3-gun, and home/self-defense. I want to stress the word “may”, because there are probably better options for each of those categories.

There are several variants of the VEPR 12, and here are the specs for its short-barreled model:

  • Model: VEPR 12 Short-Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
  • Action: Magazine-fed, semi-automatic
  • Caliber: 12 gauge, 3” chamber
  • Length: 34”
  • Barrel length: 12”
  • Weight: 9.3 lbs
  • Capacity: 5 or 8 (Standard) and higher (extended)
  • MSRP: $1,699 ( The other variants carry a MSRP of $1,199)
VEPR 12

The VEPR 12 comes with Picatinny railing on top of its dust cover, and there is also the option of adding some rail on the bottom part of the . Fixed or folding stock options are available. The barrel can be ted with a .

Because this weapon’s mechanism utilizes a self-regulated (read: non-adjustable) gas system, it is more receptive towards different types of 12 gauge ammo.

Sure, there will be rounds which will cycle more successfully and consecutively than others, but in this thing can fire a multitude of shells with little to no issues. Just be mindful of the fact that the VEPR was not made for lighter loads (though it may still cycle them).

Dissident VEPR 12

There is only so much you can ask from a weapon, and I feel one cannot expect this shotgun to perform under conditions for which it was not designed in the first place. Although, you could argue that for the hefty price you pay, perhaps it should be able to fire every single thing you put in.

Another thing to consider is the length of the barrel. If it is a longer barrel, it is probably less prone to issues, and therefore there is an increased chance of the shotgun cycling properly.

More often than not, it is the shorter barrels which will cause trouble or be finicky about the type of ammo they accept.

A nice touch which Molot added to this model is the ‘open bolt on last round’ feature. Not every AK-ish weapon possess this quality, and it certainly is handy. Combined with the fact that the magazines are inserted in a fashion resembling that of an AR-15, it makes reloading that much easier and more intuitive.

VEPR 12 Accessories

As with any firearm, some accessories are more useful or needed than others. Popular aftermarket products for the VEPR 12 include a bi-pod, stocks (folding/collapsible), butt pad, cheek rest, foregrip, chokes, magwell, and more. Also, there is the wide world of red dots, beads, and scopes.

Are you going to need any of these? It’s a judgement call.

Remember that this weapon is already on the heavy side. These AK-platform designs are usually not too light, but what you get in return for the weight is increased durability and high versatility – two attributes which may prove to be crucial for you.

It all comes down to the intended use.

VEPR 12 SBS

Keep in mind that because of the ban which is in place, there is a chance that accessories geared towards the VEPR will become more scarce over time, not unlike the weapon itself.

If you want an accessory that was designed and built for a VEPR 12 shotgun, you should probably get a move on.

Accessories which fit the model can still be found online, but I wouldn’t know about local gun shops because of the ban.

VEPR 12 Magazine

The standard factory mags are of the 5- or 8-round variety, and aftermarket magazines can go as high as 12. After that you have the drum options, which we will get into next.

Now, if you plan on using this shotgun strictly for home defense, you may find that you do not need more than 5 rounds. Nevertheless, there are those people will always want a higher capacity magazine, no matter what.

Understandable.

Preparedness is key, and I get it: you’d rather have more than less.

Remember to check your local and federal rulebooks, people. You don’t want to end up with the Feds all up in your business, simply because you forgot to equip yourself with a proper magazine. Not worth the hassle, not by a long shot!

Quick note: Saiga 12 magazines will usually work with a VEPR 12, but VEPR 12 magazines will NOT work with a Saiga 12. FYI.

VEPR 12 Drum

Speaking from a purely practical point of view, what on earth would you need a 25-round drum for? Well, for one thing, it looks like a lot of fun. There are definitely other reasons which I am overlooking, but the enjoyment factor is nothing to sneeze at.

I know from my limited experience with mags that firing many rounds consecutively can be all kinds of fun, and also highly therapeutic!

VEPR 12 Drum

Take all your aggression out on those targets, I say.

SGM Tactical offer a 25-round drum for the VEPR 12, MSRP $99. Reviews of this drum, and SGM at large, have been kind of “iffy”.

Other manufacturers offer 20-round drums for the Saiga 12, which should also work with the VEPR 12. Make sure that’s still the case before purchasing, though.

VEPR 12 Muzzle Brake

Shotguns and muzzle brakes are a match made in firearm heaven. The ability to reduce recoil allows you to get back on target quickly, and more accurately place those follow-up shots.

With a 12-gauge like this – and with many other shotguns, for that matter – a muzzle brake is definitely useful. It comes down to price, really, since just about everyone agrees that recoil management may be a necessity for some shooters.

The price for a VEPR-fitting muzzle brake is something between $45-150 or so. Not all brakes are created equally, so some of them are not fit for use with slugs. The manufacturer will usually specify whether or not that is the case.

Also, muzzle brakes for the VEPR 12 will usually also fit the Saiga 12, and vice versa, but as they say “buyer, beware”.

Some of the more popular brakes out on the market are:

At the time of writing this review, some of these are out of stock (online, anyway). The price of VEPR 12 accessories will undoubtedly shift in accordance with the legal status of the weapon and its prevalence, so posting specific MSRPs is not too practical.

Conclusion

This shotgun works, and it works well.

However, it is not for beginners (for lack of a better term). I say that not to sound all high and mighty, but simply because it is not your ordinary, everyday shotgun. It looks like an AK variant, it has controls similar to an AK, and it has the bulk and feel of an AK.

It may not fit a person who is new to shotguns, because in some ways it is not your typical shotgun, despite its 12-gauge 3” chamber.

Like I said before – I personally feel there are better options out there than the VEPR. Better hunting, target, or competition shotguns.

But again, it all depends on your intended use. Also, you cannot ignore the price, which will probably keep climbing due to the weapon’s scarcity in the U.S., and its possible end-of-production in general.

That right there is something to think about, since the prices may skyrocket over time.

It’s a fine shotgun, don’t get me wrong, but it is not worth any and every price you may see attached to it.

That said – if the price is no object, and if you fancy it (obviously), there is no reason not to own one. You get quality materials, fine Russian craftsmanship, and possibly a soon-to-be “vintage” status!

Fun fact #2: VEPR is actually not an abbreviation of anything. It simply means “wild boar” in Russian/Ukranian. The more you know

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Vepr-12

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This article is about the Renaissance Army shotgun. For the Fringe Settlers assault rifle, see Vepr.

The Vepr-12 is a shotgun that appears in Survarium.

Bakground[]

Early versions of the Vepr-12 were originally developed by the Izhmash Plant but production moved to the Molot-Weapons factory where the weapon went on to be redesigned and mass-produced. Like many other Molot products, the Vepr-12 is based on the RPK-74 and built around its heavy receiver. It was designed as a direct competitor to the popular Saiga-12 shotgun but more focused towards sport shooting and security purposes.

Overview[]

The Vepr-12 is one of the top-tier shotguns, available from the Renaissance Army at the seventh rank, "Captain". Its best aspect is its rate of fire, which is the highest in the shotgun category and affords it a tremendous damage per second output. In addition it has better than average accuracy (second only to the Saiga-12), good damage and a large magazine size. It features no significant downsides.

Vepr-12 Molot[]

The Vepr-12 Molot is a unique variant only available by purchasing it from the shop for Gold2,000. It differs from the Vepr-12 in that it is two levels lower (10) and has better accuracy (0.8) but has a slower aiming speed (0.3) and greater weight (3.5kg).

Like all premium weapons it also possesses bonus stats in the form of +10%silver received, +15% reload speed and +25% reliability. It features a spot-style camouflage pattern on the receiver, magazine and barrel in a dark brown and light green colour scheme. Interestingly the barrel is also significantly longer on this version, possibly as explanation for its greater accuracy.

Trivia[]

  • In 0.28a, the Vepr-12 was changed to use a unique smallshot type which deals increased damage but costs more. This ammo type has a green shell casing in the lobby menu.

Gallery[]

  • The player holds the "Vepr-12".

  • The player holds the "Vepr-12".

  • The player aims to "Vepr-12".

  • The player reloads "Vepr-12".

  • The player reloads "Vepr-12".

  • Stock attack of the "Vepr-12".

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Vepr 12

Total ammunition

88 (8+80)

Firing type

Semi-automatic

The Vepr 12is an automatic shotgunin Notoriety. It is unlocked by owning the Wasted Shotgun Pack.

Overview

The Vepr 12 has above average damage for a shotgun, 1 shotting weaker enemies and taking a few shots for stronger enemies. Its accuracy, while being low, can still hit targets. This makes it good for close ranges but like other shotguns, it suffers at longer ranges. Unlike other shotguns, the Vepr 12 doesn't take a long time to reload. Instead, this weapon is an automatic shotgun, which means it reloads faster.

The ammo pool of this weapon is average, making conserving ammo a slight issue or a non issue if you pick up ammo packs. The magazine of this weapon is slightly below average for a shotgun, sometimes making reloading a issue if you hold down the trigger. That said, this weapon, unlike other shotguns, can rapid fire with a hold of the trigger like the USAS 12.

Tips

  • The player can combine a suppressor with Specialized Killing for additional damage.
  • The player can also take Shotgun skills to increase the damage and reload speed, but not the magazine because it is a automatic shotgun. This makes it viable for a loud build.

Attachments

SilencersDamage Accuracy
Oil FIlter -16 +12
Osprey .45 -18 +9
SightsAccuracy Concealment
EOTech Scope +15 -4
Kobra Scope +11 -2
Reflex Scope +7 -2

Conclusion

Overall, the Vepr 12 is a average shotgun with its below average damage for a shotgun and low but manageable accuracy. With skills, this can become one of the best crowd control weapons with its high ammo pickup rate, blazing quick reload, and moderate magazine size. Just be aware that in terms of taking on more heavily-armoured targets, this shotgun is outclassed by other shotguns like the Ithaca 37.

Trivia

  • If the player reloaded this gun one shell at a time, it would only take .25 seconds to load each shell which is more than 3x faster than the quickest reloading pump action shotgun.

Skins

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VEPR 12 vs. Saiga 12

Preview – Molot Vepr-12 – An AK Shotgun That Works?

These Smoothbores Have a Cult Following Among Those Who Know Enough Voodoo to Get Them to Work. Molot Vepr-12 Needs Less Black Magic Than Most.

Photography by Henry Z. De Kuyper

I purchased my first Saiga-12 in 2006 as a solution for dealing with high round count shotgun stages in three-gun matches. When Saiga-12s work, they are awesome, and using one contributed to some match wins and top-three finishes. The higher the round count of a stage, the more advantage gained when using magazine-fed shotguns.

The key words there are “when Saiga-12s work” — because when they don’t (which is often), you end up wishing you had a pump gun. I have personally owned eight Saiga-12s, and of those eight, only three worked correctly.

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Earlier imported Saiga-12s generally displayed better construction and reliability than later models, after demand for them increased. I can’t speak to the quality of currently imported guns, but the previous ones often had gas-system issues. The number of gas ports drilled in the barrel seemed to vary from day to day and how close to vodka o’clock it was. You could never be sure if they’d be aligned with the gas block. These issues could be solved by a gunsmith or a well-motivated individual with a BFH, but this imposed an additional cost on top of the initial purchase. While more tolerable when Saiga-12s were priced under $500, this is completely unjustifiable at current market prices.

Saiga-12s also did not come with usable iron sights. Some were equipped with bead sights that were less than ideal, being mounted to the gas piston tube rather than directly to the barrel (an impossibility with the AK-style design). Others were equipped with crude pistol-style sights that could occasionally be zeroed for shooting slugs, but you could never rely on them. Adding aftermarket irons, or better yet a red-dot, was the best alternative, either using the side rail or attaching an aftermarket mount to the gas tube. The Aimpoint mount by RS Regulate was the best mount I found — it sat close to the bore, could be centered over the bore, and did not need to be removed to disassemble the gun for cleaning.

In addition, inserting magazines on a closed bolt is significantly harder with the Saiga-12 than traditional AK designs. The shooter must push up and forward to keep the front magazine tab in place, as the top shell compresses against the bolt and rocks into the locked position. I grew accustomed to doing this, but many shooters remained dependent on holding the bolt back with their hand or a manual bolt hold-open device to reload consistently.

The longer I used the Saiga-12, the more issues I experienced related to long-term durability. The gun that ran the best for me had close to 9,000 rounds on it when I retired it. The factory fire control had worn out once, and the edges of the bolt had peened over several times, requiring some filing to clean up. In the end, the rivets at the rear trunnion were angled backwards and the dustcover had less than 50-percent engagement at the front of the receiver.

I used my Saiga-12 for the final time at the 2013 Ironman 3-Gun Match, where I started experiencing intermittent malfunctions during the long courses of fire. I was also once again losing the reloading race against Saiga-12s that had been upgraded with magwells and drop-free magazines, or the AKDAL MK1919-style shotguns. It was time to

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12 vs saiga vepr 12

Feat of the Week: The Banned VEPR-12

This week’s gunsmithing feat is a VEPR-12 with a ton of custom gunsmithing work.  It’s always a pleasure to work for a friend—especially a friend with an increasingly rare Russian shotgun.  In this blog post, we will share all the machining work we did and discuss why VEPRs were banned from import in the United States. So let’s get started!

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MAKE/MODEL: Molot VEPR-12

CALIBER: 12 Gauge

Optic: Trijicon MRO

Stock from Magpul

Trigger from ALG Defense

Muzzle Device from JMac Customs

The Gunsmithing Story

These 12 gauge semi-auto shotguns, some claim, are the best on the market. Meant for self-defense, hunting, and sport, shooters of all types love the familiar design. The VEPR-12 is modeled after the infamous AK-47 rifle and built on the RPK receiver.  Chrome lined in multiple places, the VEPR shotgun is incredibly durable in harsh conditions and resistant to corrosion.  VEPR-12s are produced at the Molot factory in Russia—established in 1941 to produce the PPSh-41 machine guns during World War II—and are known for both their reliability and high-quality production.  Beginning in 2015, Molot firearms were sold and imported in the United States exclusively by the FIME Group under the VEPR brand.

Saiga-12 from Kalashnikov ConcernBy Vitaly V. Kuzmin - http://vitalykuzmin.net/?q=node/529, CC BY-SA 4.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=29470697

The VEPR shotgun was created to compete with the Saiga-12.  But the VEPR-12, unlike the Saiga, doesn’t have an adjustable gas system.  Its fixed open port gas system allows the gun to easily handle most loads without the need for manual adjustment.  The VEPR also has several features which users prefer such as the ambidextrous safety, bolt hold open on the last shot, and an easier magazine feeding system with a mag-well which eliminates the “rock and lock.” 

This VEPR belongs to one of our close friends and customers—also the owner of the Tiger Striped AR-10—who asked us to do quite a bit of custom gunsmithing work on it.  First, we cut the barrel down.  In order to meet the overall length requirement, we threaded the freshly cut barrel for a muzzle device.  We also gave the barrel internal threads for chokes.  Then, we pin and welded the muzzle device on.  Finally, we made a custom choke removal tool to operate through the new muzzle device. Our machines got quite a bit of time with this VEPR.

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Banned for import by the federal government in 2017, the Russian-made VEPR-12s are becoming collector’s items and getting harder and harder to find these days—though we do have two currently checked in for gunsmithing work.  At the time of the announcement, the FIME Group had only 400 VEPR-12s remaining in the United States for sale. 

But why did they get banned in the first place?  The reason has to do with the United States’ foreign policy on Russia’s annexation of Crimea.

The Annexation of Crimea

Crimea has always been a contested part of the world.  Due to the nature of its location—with Ukraine to the north and Russia to the east—it has always been an area where various countries seek to exert their power. Crimea has changed hands countless times over the last several hundred years—being ruled by Turkey, the USSR, Ukraine, and even being autonomous at various points in time.

In 1954, Russia transferred control of Crimea to Ukraine who was a member of the USSR at the time.  But when the Soviet Union collapsed and Ukraine became an independent nation in 1991, Crimea operated as a constituent entity independent of Ukraine.

Crimea’s situation changed again in February 2014 after Ukraine experienced a violent revolution ousting the president and overthrowing the government.  Russia declared the new government illegitimate, and Russian sympathizers in southern and eastern Ukraine—including Crimea—protested the revolution.  The ousted president fled to Russia and petitioned Putin to send troops to create law and order in Ukraine.

In the same month, unmarked Russian troops with support from local pro-Russian separatists invaded Crimea and installed a pro-Russian government within two days.  Then, the new government held a referendum resulting in the reunification of Crimea with Russia. 

Along with the United States and the United Nations, many Ukrainians held that this vote was illegal and illegitimate. So, in March 2014, after Russia formally annexed Crimea, President Obama issued an executive order which stated that Russia’s actions in Ukraine and Crimea were a threat to United States’ national security and foreign policy. The United States imposed import sanctions on several Russian companies as retaliation.

It is important to note that while much of the West saw this as an act of Russian aggression, the majority of Crimea supported the referendum as the majority of the population is ethnically Russian and Russian is their native language. 

Map of Ukraine showing the most common native language according to 2001 census. Crimea is the large red peninsula in the south.By Tovel, Spesh531 - File:UkraineNativeLanguagesCensus2001detailed.PNG, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/ind…

The VEPR Ban

The initial import sanctions in 2014 didn’t include the Molot factory or the VEPRs, but it did include the Kalashnikov Concern—maker of the AK platform, the Saiga-12, and the manufacturer of 95% of small arms in Russia.  The sanctions that prevented the sale of new Kalashnikovs in the United States actually opened up the market for Molot’s VEPR shotguns to take over. In fact, just a year after the Kalashnikov ban was put into place, The FIME Group began selling Molot’s VEPRs in the United States.  The import sanctions also gave American AK-style manufactures a boost in the U.S. market as well.

But, in 2016, the United States government caught wind that the Kalashnikov Concern had advised a foreign company to use Molot to falsify invoices to get around the import sanctions.  This led the U.S. Department of Treasury to believe that Molot was acting as a front for the Kalashnikov Concern.

Additionally, that same year, Molot was for sale, but the requirements to participate in the auction were difficult for most companies to meet. The buyer needed to have a firearms manufacturing license and to be able fulfill Molot’s Russian defense contracts.  Many financial experts suggested that Kalashnikov Concern was the only entity capable of fulfilling both requirements—remember the company comprises 95% of all small arms manufacturing in Russia. 

Given these two findings in 2016, the United States Department of Treasury, Office of Foreign Asset Controls added Molot to the import sanctions list in 2017.  This effectively banned the VEPR-12 and other Molot firearms from import.

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Will we ever see new VEPR-12s in the United States again? It’s unlikely. The United States government claims that the sanctions will remain in place until Russia ends their aggression in Ukraine and Crimea.  These sanctions, they say, create pressure on Russian to work toward a diplomatic solution. But Russia continues to administer Crimea—using Russian time and Russian money—and it doesn’t seem like they’re willing to change their stance anytime soon. In fact, the Prime Minister of Russia asserts that Crimea has become fully integrated with Russia. And in 2018, Russia built a bridge from Russia to Crimea and installed a security fence between Crimea and Ukraine.

So, new Russian VEPRs seem to be a fool’s dream at this point.  Crimea river that the VEPRs are banned.  You’ll just have to cough up more money to get your hands on one. And it’s probably worth it. These things are amazing.

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https://fimegroup.com/molot/

https://fimegroup.com/shotgun/vepr-semi-auto/

https://www.k-var.com/molot-vepr-12-gauge-semi-auto-tactical-shotgun

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/sanctions-end-supply-russian-made-vepr-12-02-shotguns/

https://blog.k-var.com/news/politics/closer-look-molot-sanctions/

https://fimegroup.com/media/fime-group-reports-only-400-vepr-12-shotguns-remain-for-us-sale/

https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/treasury-department-adds-molot-vepr-import-ban/

https://www.ammoland.com/2017/07/vepr-ban-video/#axzz6b9KBFtaf

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VEPR 12 vs. Saiga 12
LinkPosted: 6/27/2014 1:53:46 PM EDT

Well the factories they are both made at are different (Saiga-Izhmash spelling?, VEPR-Molot)

the original Saigas loaded magazines the old fashioned loading method of rock in, the new ones and VEPR's all take the straight in mags, load like a AR-15/M4

The older Saiga models have an adjustable gas system, the new ones and VEPR-12's have a "self-regulating" gas system that is not adjustable

VEPR-12 has an safety that is ambidextrous with the thumb on one side of the receiver (depending on the model) and the normal safety can be flipped via knuckle, the Saiga has a regular AK safety lever

I can't really compare buttstocks since the different imports of VEPR-12's and Saiga-12's have been all over the place, VEPR's "typically" have a folding stock that is unlocked by cutting a small weld, Saigas "typically" have a tang for normal AK stocks (my VEPR is one of the first imported and has a tang)

VEPR has a bolt hold open feature on all models, Saiga on some (my saiga does not)

VEPR utilizes a polymer top rail, Saiga will use either a metal top rail or regular side rail depending on the model

VEPR has RPK style handguards, Saiga uses a slew of different handguards based on the model ranging from the hunting style handguards to the regular AK style handguards

VEPR utilizes a RPK rear sight, Saiga will use a crap ton of different Iron sights, mine has a bird hunting sight, a friends has a slug type, and another has regular AK iron sights

I think that's about all I have off the top of my head, both are fun options and take some time to break in
The VEPR is one hell of a deal right now and if you want to jump on it, I would do so without hesitation

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