EA's comment on a Reddit thread about 'Star Wars: Battlefront 2' set a Guinness World Record for the most downvoted comment of all time
There's a new king on Reddit for the most-downvoted comment on the platform, and we have the intense fandom behind Star Wars to thank.
A comment left by Electronic Arts on a Reddit thread from last year has set the record with a karma score — how many people have liked your comment — of , Since Reddit allows users to vote negatively for posts unlike other social platforms, EA's comment has been downvoted so widely that it's made its way into the edition of the Guinness Book of World Records.
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The record-breaking comment was made in response to a Reddit thread of users voicing their complaints about the controversial video game, "Star Wars: Battlefront 2." The video game, and game-maker EA, faced criticism for implementing "loot boxes" full of added features, which players could pay for in order to get an advantage in the game — something referred to as "pay for win" in the gaming community.
One of the big gripes was that the game required in-game credits, which cost money, to unlock the most popular Star Wars characters: Princess Leia, Luke Skywalker, and Darth Vader. The record-shattering Reddit thread was started with a player questioning why he paid $80 for the game to have Darth Vader cost more money to access.
EA responded that unlocking characters was designed to give players "a sense of pride and accomplishment," and thanked fans for their "candid feedback." Evidently, users weren't happy with the response, and downvoted the EA comment en masse.
EA decided to scrap the concept of loot boxes in "Battlefront 2" by March , and the company's chief design officer later admitted EA "got it wrong."
But with the world record, Star Wars fans aren't about to forget about the mess-up anytime soon. The entry in the Guinness Book of World Records was first spotted, coincidentally, by a Reddit user, whose post has 89, upvotes.
It seems that the EA comment is safe to live in world-record infamy for now. The second most-downvoted comment only has under 89, downvotes, thanks to a Reddit user literally asking people to downvote the comment.
From World War to Star Wars: Dogfights!
Before Star Wars became a blockbuster film, it was just an idea of filmmaker George Lucas. To bring his story to life, Lucas enlisted skilled artists and filmmakers who could translate his vision into reality. When it came time to convey his vision for space battles, Lucas looked to the past. War films and World War II dogfight footage served as some unlikely inspiration for exciting space battles unlike anything audiences had ever seen before!
From battles over the Death Star to the heroes of Star WarsRebels escaping an Imperial blockade, starship battles are some of the most exciting moments in any Star Wars story. “One of the reasons I started writing Star Wars was because I wanted to see starships having exciting battles in space” says George Lucas in an archival interview from Jonathan Rinzlers The Making of Star Wars (Enhanced Edition). “I loved Flash Gordon and Buck Rodgers serials when I was a kid, but I thought I could create an experience closer to watching a dogfight in a World War II film with incredible ships diving and banking in a realistic manner.”
This “realistic” style of space combat was what set Star Wars apart. As Lucas explains:
“Because one of the key visions I had of the film when I started was of a dogfight in outer space with spaceships two ships flying through space shooting each other. That was my original idea. I said, ‘I want to make that movie. I want to see that.’ In Star Trek it was always one ship sitting here and another ship sitting there, and they shot these little lasers and one of them disappeared. It wasn’t really a dogfight where they were racing around in space firing.”
While the vision seemed clear to Lucas, he found a creative way to share that vision with the team that made Star Wars a reality: He re-cut his own compilation of battle scenes from stock footage, documentaries, and war films.
“Every time there was a war movie on television, like The Bridges at Toko-Ri (), I would watch it and if there was a dogfight sequence, I would videotape it. Then we would transfer that to 16mm film, and I’d just edit it according to my story of Star Wars. It was really my way of getting a sense of the movement of the spaceships.” The final result was substantial, as Johnathan Rinzler retells in his book, The Making of Star Wars. “At one point I had 20 to 25 hours worth of videotape” recalls Lucas.
In April of Lucas met with John Dykstra, who became the special photographic effects supervisor for the first Star Wars film. To convey his vision, Lucas shared the project he began two years earlier: the aerial battle footage he captured and edited. The team at Industrial Light & Magic used that footage throughout the production.
“The entire camera system was designed for Star Wars,” says ILM cameraman Richard Edlund in an archival interview, remembering how shots were designed and filmed. Any trade-offs that we had to make were in relation to the film that George gave us the 16mm edit of World War II clips that showed all of the dynamics, the cutting sequence, and the way the ships would move. We knew the kind of shots that he wanted; it was a tremendous help in preventing what could have been an arbitrary mishmash.”
Model builder and visual effects veteran Paul Huston recalls his early career at ILM, which was still a very young company. In the behind-the-scenes book Star Wars Storyboards: The Original Trilogy he is quoted to say, “…we had a great time up in the art department, with its cinder block walls, plywood floor, hollow-core doors on sawhorses for drawing tables, and the Movieola with George’s black-and-white cut of the attack on the Death Star made from old WWII war movie footage. Joe would show me a shot of a Japanese Zero flying left to right in front of a conning tower of an aircraft carrier and say, ‘The aircraft carrier is the Death Star, the Zero is an X-wing. Do a board like that.”
Effects artist handling pyrotechnics, Joe Viskocil, was also inspired by WWII footage as he told Lucasfilm marketing and merchandising vice president Charles Lippincott in a interview: “George wanted to see the fireball effect, the World War II type of footage where the ship just disintegrates and you see this big ball of gasoline flame. One thing that I appreciate George for is the fact that he just gave me full rein to do what I wanted. He gave me a concept as to what he’d like to see, and I just elaborated from that.”
With principal photography done and post production underway, George Lucas was unhappy with the first cut of the film and eventually hired new editors. Not wanting it to influence the new editing team, Star Wars editor Richard Chew recalls that he was not allowed to look at the original cut of Star Wars. “The only guide that George could give me was this black and white dupe of World War II dogfight news footage.” Even sound designer Ben Burtt worked off of the war film, according to an interview in The Making of Star Wars. “At the time, very few optical shots were completed from the end battle, but they had a work print based on old World War II movies. So I cut the spaceship sounds and lasers to that. We had Spitfires going by that sounded like spaceships; we had lasers being fired from Messerschmitts. It was relatively insane.”
Even as editing and sound progressed, the visual effects from ILM were taking longer than planned. Even without the effects in place, Lucas invited some of his friends and colleagues to view an early cut of the film in February of Willard Huyck was there and recalls the reception of the audience. “So we watch the movie and the crawl went on forever, there was tons of back story, and then we’re in this spaceship and there’s Darth Vader” says Huyck in a interview. “Part of the problem was that almost none of the effects were finished, and in their place George had inserted World War Two dogfight footage, so one second you’re with the Wookiee in the spaceship and the next you’re in The Bridges at Toko-Ri. It was like, “George, what-is-going-on?”
Filmaker Francis Ford Coppola also saw the film and said, “It was a little hard to judge. It was so filled with grease-pencil lines, and missing shots, and Japanese fighter planes diving… I didn’t know how to quite take it. I thought it was maybe a tad repetitive.” Steven Spielberg, among friends who saw the rough cuts, recalls in The Making of Star Wars, “The film was really not ready to be screened for anybody yet. It only had a couple dozen final effects shots; most of them were World War II footage. So it was very hard to understand what the film was about to become. I loved it because I loved the story and the characters. But the reaction was not a good one; I was probably the only one who liked it and I told George how much I loved it.”
By summer of , the effects shots were not only finished, they were revolutionary. Audiences turned out in record number to see the film, launching a franchise that is still going strong nearly 40 years later. That simple film reel of World War II footage was the predecessor to modern pre-visualization techniques pioneered in subsequent Star Wars films and common throughout the film industry today. Best of all, that World War II-inspired footage paved the way for exciting Star Wars space battles for years to come!
Cole Horton is a historian and co-author of the upcoming book, Star Wars: Absolutely Everything You Need to Know from DK Publishing. He also contributes to Marvel.com and runDisney. You can follow him on Twitter, @ColeHorton.
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If Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker had gotten great reviews, thrilled most fans of the franchise, or broken box office records, we probably wouldn’t be hearing rumors about how it could have turned out. It didn’t do those things, and thus the disaffected Star Wars fan base has seen its scabs ripped off by tantalizing, unconfirmed accounts of what the movie might have looked like in different hands. Earlier this month, an unsubstantiated report from a Redditor at r/saltierthancrait, which cited an anonymous on-set source, detailed the differences between the final film and an alleged original cut by director J.J. Abrams. The Abrams cut, which was supposedly a lot longer than the eventual theatrical release—consistent with separate, crediblereports about material left on the cutting room floor—conveniently would have addressed many of the subreddit’s common complaints about the movie. The report put the onus on Disney for insisting on “more fan service, less controversy,” twisting the knife in an open emotional wound.
One might have thought that the visions of alternate Episode IXs would end there, but no, there is another. On Monday, a post surfaced at r/StarWarsLeaks, the subreddit where a breakdown of the script for the real The Rise of Skywalker appeared months before the movie’s release (complete with leaked screenshots of the final confrontation between a red-robed Palpatine and the “Force dyad” duo of Rey and Ben). The post, which included a “Wild rumor” tag, notified the community of a YouTube video posted on Monday by filmmaker Robert Meyer Burnett, who claimed to have obtained a copy of an early draft of the screenplay for Episode IX by original writer/director Colin Trevorrow and cowriter Derek Connolly. Burnett, who may have sacrificed some Bothans to bring us this scoop, revealed some of the supposed screenplay’s main plot points, which were collated by Reddit user Lollifroll. Trevorrow and Connolly were reportedly replaced because Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy was unhappy with their drafts, so the leak allegedly presented a picture of the direction Disney decided not go, inviting comparisons with The Rise of Skywalker’s story.
In other words, I’m about to break down a Reddit recap of a YouTube summary of an early draft of a screenplay that may or may not exist (although The A.V. Club’s Britt Hayes reported that she confirmed its veracity with a second source). The internet is a weird and wondrous place.
Keep in mind that the draft is allegedly dated December 16, , 11 days before the death of Carrie Fisher. It would have had to change as a result of her passing, and it likely would have evolved in other respects between December and September , when Abrams replaced Trevorrow (following a failed attempt at a touch-up by another writer, Jack Thorne). And before you get too invested in the movie that might have been, remember that Trevorrow is the man who made The Book of Henry, and Connolly cowrote Monster Trucks. Their records aren’t flawless, and if we could summon this alternate Episode IX from the dead, we might end up with a monkey’s paw monstrosity that would make The Rise of Skywalker look like The Empire Strikes Back.
Acknowledging all of those caveats—and the overarching concern that this could be a hoax, in which case we’re critiquing fan fiction—here’s what we can say. If The Rise of Skywalker dissatisfied you for the same big-picture reasons that it let down a lot of its audience—its rigid recycling of the past, the way its plot put it at odds with The Last Jedi, its reluctance to allow moral ambiguity or a reimagining of the Force—then you’ll probably find a lot to like about Trevorrow’s purported plan. There’s no way to know whether that blueprint would have led to a satisfying film, but the broad strokes make it sound as if the rejected rough draft would have avoided some of The Rise of Skywalker’s major missteps.
In an interview late last month, Abrams collaborator Chris Terrio, who cowrote the screenplay for The Rise of Skywalker after Trevorrow’s exit, said that he and Abrams had started their script from scratch, and that any commonalities with Trevorrow’s discarded script would have occurred by coincidence. That comment accords with Burnett’s leaks, which have only a few plot points in common with the Episode IX we know.
Trevorrow’s title for the final film in the Skywalker saga was Duel of the Fates, seemingly a reference both to the John Williams classic that accompanies the lightsaber battle at the end of The Phantom Menace and to the conflict between Kylo Ren and Rey, whom the movie would have placed on a climactic collision course.
Duel of the Fates’ opening crawl describes a scenario that doesn’t sound so different from the state of affairs at the start of The Rise of Skywalker:
The iron grip of the FIRST ORDER has spread to the farthest reaches of the galaxy. Only a few scattered planets remain unoccupied. Traitorous acts are punishable by death.
Determined to suffocate a growing unrest, Supreme Leader KYLO REN has silenced all communication between neighboring systems.
Led by GENERAL LEIA ORGANA, the Resistance has planned a secret mission to prevent their annihilation and forge a path to freedom
From there, though, the two diverge dramatically. Here are the highlights: Palpatine doesn’t return from the dead. Rey really is a nobody, in terms of her family tree: She isn’t descended from famous parents or grandparents. The big battle takes place on Coruscant, capital of the Old Republic and Empire, which the First Order has occupied. The Resistance defeats the First Order, Leia lives, and Rey outduels Kylo, who dies unredeemed.
Now for some specifics. According to Burnett, Duel of the Fates would have started with a Resistance raid on the industrial planet of Kuat, where the Old Republic and Empire constructed their warships. Although the raiders—including Rey, Rose, Finn, Poe, and BB-8—fail to sabotage the shipyards, they commandeer a Star Destroyer and escape. Meanwhile, Kylo is on Mustafar, searching for a Sith relic, as he does (very briefly) at the beginning of The Rise of Skywalker. The relic is a Sith holocron, not a wayfinder, and it contains a recording of Palpatine, who left his last wishes for Darth Vader in holographic form. In the event that Luke killed Palpatine, Vader was to take Luke to learn from Tor Valum, Palpatine’s ancient teacher.
Rey, who’s assembled her own lightsaber—a double-bladed hybrid of her staff and Luke’s cracked saber—learns from the ancients, too: The sacred Jedi texts she took from Ahch-To tip her off to a communication system, or “Force beacon,” beneath the former Jedi Temple on Coruscant. The beacon can send a signal to 50 planets, and because it’s based on old tech, the First Order’s blackout can’t stop it. Throughout all of this, Luke’s Force ghost is training Rey (who struggles to come to terms with her not-so-special lineage) and alternating between taunting Kylo and trying to turn him back to the light.
After that, the Resistance splits up. One team, composed of Rose, Finn, R2-D2, and C-3PO, go to Coruscant to try to light the beacon. Another team, featuring Rey, Poe, and Chewbacca, go elsewhere to consult someone on the proper path for Rey. (That part is pretty vague.) Kylo—who rids himself of Vader’s mask and forsakes his former idol, saying, “You allowed love to cloud your judgment”—confronts and trains with Tor Valum, who turns out to be a spindly, Lovecraftian, 7,year-old alien. (As part of that training, Kylo duels a vision of Vader, à la Luke on Dagobah.) The first Resistance team succeeds in lighting the beacon, and Leia asks Lando to take control of the forces that respond to the signal. Those forces congregate on Coruscant, setting up a battle in space and on land, while Finn, R2, and 3PO start a citizen’s uprising around First Order HQ. (Rose, who was captured and tortured by the First Order, frees herself somehow.) For some reason, Chewie flies an X-wing in the battle, which would be a tight fit. The good guys win.
As the Resistance squares off with the First Order, Kylo and Rey meet on Mortis, a mystical realm introduced in The Clone Wars that’s closely connected to the origins and true nature of the Force. During their showdown, they extract Force energy from each other. Kylo reveals that he killed Rey’s parents at Snoke’s behest. Rey overpowers him, and although the Force ghosts of Luke, Yoda, and Obi-Wan try to save him, he’s “extinguished.” Oh, and Han Solo appears and talks to Kylo at some point in the film, presumably in a Rise of Skywalker–esque vision.
That’s a lot to take in, and without reading the script, it’s tough to piece it all together. While it’s welcome that Rose isn’t sidelined as she was in The Rise of Skywalker,it’s unclear what role the stolen Star Destroyer plays, and some of the side missions seem like they could be Canto Bight–type distractions. It’s equally unclear what Tor Valum has been up to all this time, or how his presence relates to the Sith Rule of Two or Palpatine’s existing backstory as an apprentice to Darth Plagueis. Nor do we know why Snoke would have told Kylo to kill Rey’s parents if they weren’t VIPs, or to what degree Rey fuses the Force’s light and dark sides into a sustainable, nonbinary balance.
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That said, this doesn’t sound like a remake of Return of the Jedi: There’s no (inexplicably living) Palpatine, no Death Star, no new technological superweapon, and no wayward Skywalker saved from the dark side. The focus stays on the conflicts established in the sequel trilogy: Kylo vs. Rey, First Order vs. Resistance. And Rey has humble origins, which would have led to less of a disconnect between The Last Jedi and Duel of the Fates.
Burnett also alludes to dialogue that grapples with the gray areas rather than defaulting to dark vs. light. As Rey supposedly says to Luke, “Balance? The dark suffocates the light, light extinguishes the dark. Over and over and over again. How is that balance in the Force?” Good question! Rey continues to question Luke’s teachings, remarking, “So says my master, and his master before him. A thousand masters, so eager to tell us how to live.” In The Rise of Skywalker, the “thousand generations” of Jedi are what give Rey her power. Here, they’re bonds she must break to bring lasting balance. Along the same lines, Leia allegedly tells Rey, “You’re not like my father or my brother. You’re new. … Your story isn’t written by anyone else.”
That’s potentially exciting stuff—and, perhaps, scary stuff for Disney, if the company was determined not to destabilize the Star Wars status quo. But beyond making money, what’s the point of creating a trilogy that doesn’t say something new? As described, Duel of the Fates wouldn’t have cheapened the original trilogy by resurrecting Palpatine. It would have democratized the series’ portrayal of how heroes arise. It would have raised thought-provoking questions about the Force and refused to supply the same old answers. And it would have explained why the ending of Episode IX would bring about a longer-lasting peace than the ending of Return of the Jedi did. Trevorrow’s hypothetical movie may not have lived up to the rumored screenplay’s promise. But regardless of whether it’s real, the alleged script’s message makes a more convincing case than Disney did for why we needed new movies at all.
It’s somewhat suspicious that this leaked script addresses so many of The Rise of Skywalker’s most divisive decisions. That may be a clue that this is nothing more than wish fulfillment. Then again, it wouldn’t be shocking to learn that Trevorrow wanted to take the trilogy in this direction: In most respects, the story described by Burnett would make for a more logical follow-up to The Last Jedi than The Rise of Skywalker was. If it’s authentic—and if there’s truth to the earlier leak about Abrams’s cut—then it’s possible that Disney made The Rise of Skywalker worse along the way. And if it’s a fabrication, it still reflects something real: the desire of many Star Wars fans for a different finale than the one Disney delivered.
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The Reddit Group Dedicated to Making Memes About the ‘Star Wars’ Prequels
It’s got tough competition, but r/PrequelMemes might be the worst designed message forum on the entire internet. The gold and white font against a black background is ghastly and obliterates your visual cortex. And the header image is a collage of characters from Star WarsEpisodes I-III (i.e., “the prequels”) making doof-y faces. The site turns your computer cursor into an image of Emperor Palpatine, the eventual villain and most iconic character in the prequels. And the right panel of the forum is a photo of the Emperor’s face superimposed onto a shirtless Vladimir Putin.
It’s a visually unpleasant experience, much like the films the forum is base on. But to understand r/PrequelMemes, one of the fastest growing memes forums on Reddit the past year, you must first understand the films on which the subreddit is based: Star WarsEpisodes I-III, the most disappointing trilogy in film history.
Despite being the “original trilogy,” the three Star Wars films George Lucas created between and , were in fact Episodes IV through VI in the series. And whereas IV-VI were essentially a family-oriented space opera, Episodes I-III were about the war and political infighting that precipitated those events, and far more ambitious from a special effects standpoint.
Too ambitious, actually.
It wasn’t until the late s that digital filmmaking had evolved to the point Lucas felt he could pull off his long-imagined prequel trilogy, and in , he announced he was working on the first of them: Episode I: The Phantom Menace. It quickly became one of the most anticipated films of all time. There were reports of Star Wars superfans attending screenings of Meet Joe Black and The Waterboy just to see a trailer for the upcoming film.
Phantom Menace was released the following year and roundly panned by critics despite grossing nearly three times its $ million production budget. (Roger Ebert loved it, however, giving it stars and writing its special effects made for “an astonishing achievement in imaginative filmmaking.”) Episode II: Attack of the Clones and Episode III: Revenge of the Sith are slightly more watchable, but Episodes I, II and III remain the first, second and third worst reviewed movies in the Star Wars franchise (in that order).
Collectively, the films are bad — laughably bad when you consider they took decades to make. And it’s that special legacy that r/PrequelMemes celebrates. The films themselves might not be the most enjoyable, but converting their hokier moments into memes is a way to derive ironic joy from them.
Or at least that was my operating assumption as a Star Wars fan myself.
To know for sure, I left a post on r/PrequelMemes asking its users to explain their love for the subreddit. And true to form, they proceeded to troll me with prequel memes.
Although their responses weren’t immediately helpful, they were instructive. Members of r/PrequelMemes don’t want to deconstruct their adoration for memeing the worst of the Star Wars franchise. The memes are the point, and the point is the memes.
R/PrequelMemes was created on December 30, , according to Reddit Metrics, a site that tracks the popularity of individual subreddits. Just six months later, it had more than a quarter of a million subscribers, adding upwards of 5, subscribers on some days. Today, it has more than , subscribers in all.
The timing seems to suggest r/PrequelMemes became popular in part because of the presidential election. There’s been a substantial increase in the amount of innocuous, uplifting content shared on Reddit in the wake of the election, as more and more people look for a respite from our country’s contentious political dialogue. R/PrequelMemes is similarly apolitical. The only popular political posts on the subreddit are requeststoupvote a photo of Naboo Senator Sheev Palpatine (nay, Darth Sidious, Darth Vader’s evil mentor) so that it appears as the top image result when people Google “senate.”
Politics alone seems like an insufficient explanation for the popularity of r/PrequelMemes, though. If Star Wars geeks wanted to distract themselves from the Trump regime by sharing Jar Jar Binks memes, they could easily do that on r/StarWars, a subreddit for all things Star Wars.
I asked the r/PrequelMemes moderators why they thought the subreddit has garnered such a large following, but they were equally resistant to serious introspection. Only one of the moderators (username Adventurous Swine), agreed to speak with me, and his explanations for the subreddit’s popularity were circular. Adventurous Swine’s friend started the subreddit because he enjoyed the films growing up and thought it would be fun to start a meme community around them. And Adventurous Swine decided to help because he liked the films, too, as a kid.
“I’m not really sure why it resonates with so many people,” says the year-old Swine (he declined to give his real name). “The culture of Star Wars is so widely beloved — from the music to the effects and everything in between. It’s something that’s passed down from parent to child, prequels and sequels alike. Not sure what else to say about it honestly. It’s just one of those things that I can’t explain myself.”
This, of course, isn’t much of an explanation at all; it’s a tautology. But the more I pushed Adventurous Swine to think critically about the subreddit and consider its underlying motivations, the more he bristled: “Sometimes people overanalyze things and forget to just relax and enjoy something for the purpose of enjoying it. Star Wars is like that. The prequels specifically offer a sort of backstory that fills in gaps that were otherwise not filled in when the original films came out.
“They provide entertainment like a movie should,” he continues. “They may be considered the worst because of the expectations set by the previous movies. The prequels might have a few issues here and there, which happens, but at the end of the day, the movies provide entertainment.”
There is a point in the lifespanofeverymeme where the memebecomessoubiquitous that it achieves a kind of escape velocity and begins feeding off its own popularity. The act of replicating the meme is suddenly more funny than the memeitself.
That, more than anything else, seems to be the point of r/PrequelMemes. You don’t create and re-post prequel memes to make a commentary on George Lucas’ hubris or Hayden Christensen’s wooden acting. You do it just to do it.
Like a young Luke Skywalker training to be a Jedi, my attempts to intellectualize r/PrequelMemes actually prevented me from truly understanding it. There is no why when it comes to prequel memes. There is simply do, or do not.
Then again, those references come directly from the original trilogy.
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